I'll give you a quick answer for now while I look for further references to help you. The quick answer is that you must perform a merge process between the two routes, and then associate the various trains with them. This is, regrettably, not well documented.
Run 8 has many strengths, but good documentation is not among them. Once you have both the Mojave and Needles Subs, they must function together. Initially when Run 8 came out with the Needles Sub, there were some issues with it working together smoothly with the Mojave.
They solved the issue by making an intermediate Barstow-Yermo route, which is grafted out of the other two and acts as a kind of a bridge or keystone between the Mojave and Needles Subs. There was a process for making this happen that I need to recall. I'll get back to you further on this thread.
Bear with me while I recall the process and perhaps find some references for you. It's been a while since I did it. Not difficult, but just something you need to do. MC Columbia, Missouri Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/14 17:28 by ironmtn. It looks like the process of installing the Needles Sub route and merging it with the Mojave Sub has been simplified somewhat, and is now handled through the update process.
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Go to the 'Run 8 Basics - Installation, Registration, Single-Player, Dispatcher Screen, and Multi-Player' page at their site at this URL: The page lists an order of installation. This is important. As someone who first installed the Mojave Sub within a couple of weeks of its first introduction, I have had downloads of many updates along the way, not including the various paid add-on equipment packages (and a couple of free ones). It was always important that those were installed in the correct order. I was never bothered by having to do that. I work in IT, and I know how updates can have sequential and referential dependencies to prior and subsequent updates, particularly when there are various options that might or might not be purchased, but for which there needs to be allowance.
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I am pretty sure that now all of the various updates that I installed one-by-one as they became available have been rolled into three relatively cumulative update/upgrade packages dated 12/23/13 and 2/27/14, and 10/03/13 for the Needles Sub. There have been references to that fact previously as I have downloaded and installed various update/upgrade packages in the past. I would suggest: 1) Downloading the two upgrade packages (12/23/13 and 2/27/14).
2) Downloading the Needles Sub upgrade 10/03/13. If memory serves, this upgrade is the one that did the real work of creating the Barstow-Yermo middle section out of the Mojave and Needles Subs.
3) Purchasing and downloading any of the additional paid or free equipment packages you might wish to have at this time (this is optional). The 'free versions' of each are the actual models, but with Run 8 markings rather than railroad/shipper markings. This enables individuals who have not purchased an equipment package to participate in a multiplayer session, with the 'beautiful' Run 8-marked cars substituting in trains instead of the railroad/shipper-marked equipment.
Kind of a nifty solution, in my opinion. It works well, and keeps a multiplayer session from crashing because someone does not own the paid-content equipment which was included in a previously built train. Be sure that you have installed the Microsoft XNA 3.1 Redistributable onto your system before you do anything else, as described on this page on their site. Extremely important. You may well have done that already as part of the original Mojave install. Then install in the order given on their site.
I copied the order and have it below for a reference example, but I'd recommend following it from the site just in case something did not copy over. If you did not previously install the 12/23 and 2/27 upgrades before you installed the Needles Sub, or if you missed the Needles Sub upgrade 10/3/13 or did not install it in the correct order, you may wish to consider uninstalling the Mojave and Needles Subs, then proceeding with a reinstall in the order that they give --including especially the upgrades in their correct relative positions. I think that should help to keep all of the pieces in alignment. My recollection is that I had to do that with the Needles Sub, since I had missed one of the upgrade packages that I think have been rolled into the 12/23 or 2/27 upgrades. Or I may have installed the Needles 10/03/13 upgrade in the wrong order. In any case, the order of installation is very important.
Msdgbar Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What they really should have done to end the > confusion was to create two different programs. > One would been called the Mojave Sub edition. The > other would have been called the Needles Sub > edition so on so on and so forth. This thing > has a real steep learning curve to it.
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